Siegfried must die
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"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. [laughs] Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like [coughs] tears in rain. Time to die."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_soliloquy
"Siegfried Must Die
Dreamed 1913/12/18 by Carl Jung
THE DREAM
I was with an unknown, brown-skinned man, a savage, in a lonely, rocky mountain landscape. It was before dawn. The eastern sky was already bright, and the stars fading. Then I heard Siegfried's horn sounding over the mountains and I knew that we had to kill him. We were armed with rifles and lay in wait for him on a narrow path over the rocks.
Then Siegfried appeared high up on the crest of the mountain in the first ray of the rising sun. On a chariot made of the bones of the dead he drove at furious speed down the precipitous slope. When he turned a corner, we shot at him, and he plunged down, struck dead.
Filled with disgust and remorse for having destroyed something so great and beautiful, I turned to flee, impelled by the fear that the murder might be discovered. But a tremendous downfall of rain began, and I knew that it would wipe out all traces of the dead. I had escaped the danger of discovery; life could go on, but an unbearable feeling of guilt remained.
AFTER
When I awoke from the dream, I turned it over in my mind, but was unable to understand it. I tried therefore to fall asleep again, but a voice within me said, "You must understand the dream, and must do so at once!" The inner urgency mounted until the terrible moment came when the voice said, "If you do not understand the dream, you must shoot yourself!" In the drawer of my night table lay a loaded revolver, and I became frightened.
Then I began pondering once again, and suddenly the meaning of the dream dawned on me. "Why, that is the problem that is being played out in the world." Siegfried, I thought, represents what the Germans want to achieve, heroically to impose their will, have their own way. "Where there is a will there is a way!" I had wanted to do the same. But now that was no longer possible. The dream showed that the attitude embodied by Siegfried, the hero, no longer suited me. Therefore it had to be killed.
After the deed I felt an overpowering compassion, as though I myself had been shot: a sign of my secret identity with Siegfried, as well as of the grief a man feels when he is forced to sacrifice his ideal and his conscious attitudes. This identity and my heroic idealism had to be abandoned, for there are higher things than the ego's will, and to these one must bow.
--Carl Jung, from Memories, Dreams, Reflections, 1961."
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Date: 2012-09-30 08:40 pm (UTC)так что цитата скорее всего довольно таки прямая
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Date: 2012-10-01 04:21 am (UTC)Мне в этой сцене виделись какие-то христианские отсылки, из-за голубя. "В руки Твои отдаю дух Мой". У него завелось настоящее сознание в виде голубки, и вот оно должно его покинуть.
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Date: 2012-10-01 04:25 am (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner
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Date: 2012-10-01 07:50 am (UTC)седьмую печать Бергмана я не досмотрел пока, а стоит наверное.
(кажется я визуал)
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Date: 2012-10-01 08:28 am (UTC)"They bear away from their light, while their strict lord Death bids them to dance... and the rain washes, and cleanses the salt of their tears from their cheeks."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal
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Date: 2012-10-01 08:29 am (UTC)а это наверное отсыл к Бергманну был
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Date: 2012-10-01 12:50 pm (UTC)Макс Сыдов еще интересная фигура, кажется рифмует интересные темы, Триер тот же.
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Date: 2012-10-01 05:26 pm (UTC)Немцы более такие. дубоватые.
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Date: 2012-10-01 05:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-01 05:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-01 05:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-01 05:47 pm (UTC)